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    Angry Pilot Light won't stay lit

    We have a one year old plus Kenmore Power Miser 12 water heater; model number 153.331252. We were out of town. Kids staying at our house called and said no hot water. Neighbor who is savy came over; found pilot light out. Followed instructions; lit pilot OK; it stayed on; then turned control knob to on position and set thermostat; main burner ignited; however two days later kids reported only luke warm water. Upon returning home tonight; found pilot light out again; was able to re-light; then get main burner going. However, one hour later went out to check on unit; found main burner off; and pilot light off. Am now NOT able to re-light pilot light. It ignites when I press the red button and then press the ignition button; but no matter how long I hold down the red button; the pilot light goes out. And you cannot turn the main control knob to ON unless you release the red button. We do have a little warm water, but something is wrong? Any suggestions?????

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    Sounds like a defective gas control valve, but the price of that is almost the price of a new water heater.

    You have a full 1 yr. warranty on it from Sears, see if you can locate your receipt on it, then if its under a year old, contact Sears to come out to fix it for free.

    Here's your owners manual on it:
    http://www.managemyhome.com/mmh/lis_...M/LR708077.pdf

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    Troubleshooting Intermittent Ignition


    “Why won’t my pilot stay lit?” If heating service techs have heard customers ask it once, they’ve heard it a hundred times.
    The procedures outlined in this article are for checking out all systems that use an intermittent pilot. (Some of the checks can also be applied to direct spark ignition systems.) These are things that techs should look at as preliminary checks before proceeding with troubleshooting charts and wiring diagrams.
    Many checks are visual, or done with the power off and using an ohmmeter.
    In order to understand the principles behind many of the checks, it is important for technicians to understand some of the terms that are used. We therefore include a set of definitions.
    The definitions also include two important rules for replacement of existing controls. Under the definition of “time trial for ignition,” there is a rule for replacement that says, “You can replace a module with one with a lesser time”; the “prepurge” rule says that when replacing a module, you may go to a longer time; these two rules give some flexibility when replacing controls.


    CHECK IGNITION CABLE

    One of the first things to check when examining a unit’s ignition operation is the condition of the cable itself.
    Make sure it’s not touching any metal surfaces.
    Make sure it’s no more than 36 in. long.
    Make sure the connections are clean and tight. The “kanthal” sensing/spark rod should be cleaned with a soft, clean emery cloth.
    Check visually to make sure there are no cracks or breaks in the ceramic; that the igniter cable is not dried out or cracked; and that the boot is in good condition. If there is a white, powdery substance on the cable that is the result of ignition cable “outgassing,” replace the cable.
    The ignition cable has electrical continuity, so use a continuity tester or the Ohms scale on a multimeter:

    1. Check from the tip of the igniter to the connector on the module with it disconnected from the module. You should have continuity. The resistance should be about 0.1 ohm. If you do not, replace the cable.

    2. Run the test lead up and down the tip, looking for increases in resistance or breaks in continuity (sign of a breakdown). If you find this, the igniter should be replaced. The cable on a single-rod system may give you a spark, but will not return a microamp signal due to a break in the cable.

    3. Go from the tip of the igniter to ground — this time you should not have continuity. If you do, it is shorted to ground at some point. This would cause a no-spark or weak-spark condition. In order to narrow down what may be grounded, either the cable or something in the module, remove the cable from the module and check from the connector end to ground; if it shows continuity, the cable is grounded. If the previous test showed continuity and this one does not, then the module is shorted.
    Check for the intensity of the spark:

    1. Remove the igniter cable from the module connection.

    2. From the module connection to the igniter cable, an arc should jump at least a 1/2-in. gap.

    3. The spark gap on most systems, from the tip of the igniter to the ground connection, is 1/8 in. If the spark will jump across in. with good intensity, it should be able to jump across 1/8 in. with no trouble at all.
    (Note: Hold the igniter cable with insulated pliers and slowly move the connector on the igniter cable toward the high-voltage connection on the module, with the module energized. The spark should jump across the open gap.)
    Nuisance shutdowns or no operation at all can be caused by a poor ground or erratic ground (GND) connection.


    IGNITION SYSTEM GROUNDING
    From the ground (usually the green wire) terminal on the module, check for continuity to some portion of the boiler or furnace. It is best to check on an unpainted, clean surface.
    You should have continuity. If you do not, then the system could operate erratically or not at all.
    It may be necessary to establish a good connection to ground by using a wire with a clamp onto the gas line or equipment chassis and connecting it to the ground terminal of the module. All connections should be clean, unpainted, and generally offer good metal-to-metal contact. When you look at the wiring diagram for the equipment, if you see a symbol showing the use of a chassis ground , be careful that you have a good connection.


    CHECKING POLARITY
    This next check is the beginning of your electrical checks and is best done at the secondary of the 24-V transformer. Many transformers today have terminals on the secondary labeled “C” (for common) and “R” (for hot); this will assist you with this check.
    If this check indicates that in fact “R” is 24 V and “C” is 0 V, then the primary polarity is correct. If it indicates the opposite, then the primary wiring needs to be corrected.
    Once all of these preliminary checks have been completed, then the electrical troubleshooting of the system can begin. Use the manufacturer’s sequence of operation, connection wiring diagram, ladder diagram, and any trouble “trees” that are available, along with a good multimeter.



    FINAL POINTERS
    When testing the power supply, make sure that the module runs on 24 V.
    Modern heating equipment is complex enough, so it’s necessary to keep transformer leads identified and properly wired:
    — “C” on the transformer goes to 24 V (GND);
    — “C” is connected internally (in the module) to both burner GND and MV/PV.
    If connected wrong, the transformer can be burned out, because one side of the transformer is grounded somewhere in the control wiring. You can check this by measuring the voltage from each transformer terminal to ground; 24 V = hot side (R); 0 V = ground side (C).


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