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FIXED PZS25KSEBFSS GE side by side evaporator icing up

doggiswoggis

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Model Number
PZS25KSEBFSS
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1-5 years
Having fits. Fresh food Evaporator frosts up, no apparent defrost heater or timer installed (I assume it’s done with the motherboard just periodically pausing the compressor to defrost?). Replaced thermistor and it worked for six months. Fan blows air. I tested the new thermistor with ice water and the resistance does change but I didn’t measure exactly what values.

What is the brass thing above the evaporator that is wrapped in thick rubber tape? Can this be replaced?

What is the small grill on the left wall of the inside of the fridge?

Is this a motherboard problem? I can’t imagine that thermistors fail very often.

Help!

Added complete model number
 
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Hi,

Take a photo of those parts your referring too and upload them here.

Also your missing some digits in your model number.

Click here: Appliance Parts

Then you will see a link that says: How to find a model number.

Jake
 
Hi Jake, thanks for responding:
1. Real model number off the machine (not the receipt, duh) PZS25KSEBFSS
2.little plastic grill on sidewall is the temperature sensor, I pulled the grill off and looked at it
3. Brass thing wrapped in foam tape is the evaporator lines, amazing how small the input tube is.
4. STILL not defrosting! Manually defrosted again, tried keeping temperature setting high i.e. 38°F (to see if it wouldn’t ice up so fast) fan blows sometimes, gets real cold; 32° in meat drawer, 4° in freezer; then frosts up again and starts not blowing out the top, meat drawer stays cold until the evaporator is just completely a block of frost.

Obviously the sealed system is fine, but it won’t run the defrost cycle. Could there be a relay (on a timer, run by the computer) that shuts off the compressor and leaves the fan running (to defrost)?

Control pad seems to work fine, shows temps.

Without a wiring diagram it’s hard to figure it out.

Thanks again for responding

David
 

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Thanks, so the fresh food fan runs fine when its not hitting ice?

When you ohm tested the old and new thermistors in the glass of ice water did you WAIT at least 5 minutes before ohm testing them both?

You will need to measure the ohms when its in Ice water at least 5 minutes before testing, it should read about 16.3K ohms,

Here's the thermistor for your model:
WR55X10025


Jake
 
Ok David, sounds good.

Jake
 
Fridge

1. Okay, fresh food fan runs and blows cold air out the top of the duct when evaporator is not frozen up, “turbocool” setting blows constantly.

2.remove the thermistor, left it in ice water 20+ minutes, shows hunting around, finally settled on 15.3 k ohms.

Measure again with lots of ice and stirring it first, measured 17.23 k ohms

3. Put thermistor in freezer downstairs, about 10°f, shows 25k to start and drops rapidly as it warms up.

Conclusion:

1. Doesn’t seem to be the thermistor
2. One site somewhere said thermistor should be at the top of the evaporator coils, mine is at the bottom rear.
3. In case this doesn’t fix it, could there be a relay that shuts off the compressor while fan blows to defrost?
4. Gonna put whole thing back together until I think of something else.
 
Are you absolutely sure you don't have a evaporator thermistor clipped on the top of your fresh food evaporator coil?

Look at these threads below:

Jake
 
Hi Jake,
Yeah the thermistor holder (with the hole to insert the probe into) is installed on the next to lowest evaporator tube, held on with a pull tie, it’s always been there. Thanks for these articles, I’m reading em now
David
 
Okay, week later, durn thing is completely frosted up again. Solid block of frost/ice. Manually defrosted. Checked the fan with 12v, runs fine. Checked the voltage to the fan when fridge is turned on, 13.3v.

Seems that the compressor runs all the time, fan most of the time, near as I can tell… since it never stops cooling, the fan can’t defrost the coils (My theory).

Just for fun I moved the thermistor recepticle to the top of the coils to see if the fan blowing right on it would make any difference, this is a wild hope.

I can only suspect a compressor control relay or motherboard issue. I probably ought to call an appliance place that has the GE software analysis capability?
 
Yes, it sounds like your motherboard is the culprit, but first unplug the refrigerator and ohm test your freezer thermistor and evaporator thermistor first per how Rick mentioned to do it in his post #62 here:
If your freezer thermistor and evaporator thermistor ohms test good, then replace the motherboard.

At the J1 Connector:
Pin 3 to Pin 5=freezer thermistor
Pin 4 to Pin 5=evaporator thermistor

Here's the motherboard for your model you can order:
WR55X10956 Main Control Board


The motherboard is located in the back of the refrigerator, on your exterior back cabinet, you will see the cover for it, just remove the cover to access it.

Let us know how it goes.

Jake
 
Hi Jake,

More time on my knees at fridge god. Did ohm test at J1 connector on motherboard.

1. Freezer thermistor ohms at pins 3-5 = 8.7K @ 15°F. (way low, should be 27K)

2. Fresh food evaporator at pins 4-5 = 9.9 @ 50°F (good)

Might explain why compressor runs too much and freezes up fresh food evaporator? Why the freezer evaporator doesn’t freeze up is beyond me.

I’ve ordered new thermistor. I wonder if this is the exact same part as the fresh food evaporator thermistor?
 
1. Freezer thermistor ohms at pins 3-5 = 8.7K @ 15°F. (way low, should be 27K)
Yes, all 3 thermistors use the exact same part number:
WR55X10025


Might explain why compressor runs too much and freezes up fresh food evaporator?
Yes, that is correct.

Why the freezer evaporator doesn’t freeze up is beyond me.
Most likely because the freezer evaporator coil uses a defrost heater, and the fresh food evaporator coil does not.

Jake
 
Hi Jake,

You’re gonna laugh! I did the ohm test on the J1 connector. I noticed that one of the tapping screws on the steel cover for the motherboard was twisted off (musta been during assembly, I’ve never had it off since new). That was THE VERY SCREW that is the GROUND CABLE for the motherboard! The only thing holding the ground cable on was the pressure of the cover plate against the body of the fridge. Upon reassembly I installed a new screw, and the fridge has been working great for a week!
I could cry for joy.
You can mark this one as fixed!

David
 
Excellent David, glad to hear that fixed it.(y)

Thanks for the update!

Jake
 
Jake,

Thanks immensely for your knowledge and expertise! You helped me a lot to understand how these machines work.

David
 
Anytime David!

Jake
 
Hi Jake,

Turns out, sadly, that the fridge wasn’t fixed after all. Saga continues….. sigh. Story and latest update continues below…
 
Hi Jake,

Latest on ol' PZS25KSEBFSS. Seems that it’s not fixed after all. I thought for sure that the replacement of the ground wire to the motherboard would fix it (wrong). It seemed subjectively to last a bit longer but froze up again.

I went out to the shop and got my tools and kneepads and extension cord and hair dryer and turned off the fuse in the basement and put the food in a cooler and pulled out the drawers and took apart the blower assy. and defrosted it again. I hoped it would work (nope). Froze up again.

This time I let it go like two weeks until the milk was spoiled and the evaporator was just a solid block of ice. Defrosted it again, hoping against hope, and 10 days later, the evap. froze up again, inevitably.

Based on the reading of the measurement points on the motherboard from the previous post, I decided to replace the thermistor in the freezer, just in case incorrect readings in the freezer was making the fresh food section evaporator fan to not shut off. I ordered the thermistor, waited for it to arrive, I defrosted the evaporator again and also took all the food out of the freezer and disassembled the freezer blower/evaporator assembly. I carefully soldered in the new thermistor for the freezer and put everything back together one more time. My son, walking past me down on my knees and all the disassembled parts around me said "Dad, are you ever going to get that thing fixed?" I was sure it was gonna work this time. Ten days later, froze up again.

I thought hard about installing a piece of 2" car heater conduit to the side of the evaporator so I could defrost it by going down to the basement, turning off the fuse, pulling out the drawers and running the hair dryer through the conduit to defrost it, and repeating this every 7-10 days, forever.

I finally gave up and ordered a new motherboard ($250) thinkin' that one of the little relays that turns off the compressor (or whatever it's called) during the defrost cycle was stuck and leaving the compressor to run constantly. It's a theory. Besides, this model is infamous for mother boards failing. I did everything again: tools, fuse, drawers, disassembly, defrost, reassemble, put away tools. Froze up again.

This time when I took it apart I noticed that the plastic evaporator/blower cover was frozen right up flat against the vents where the fan is supposed to get the air from, to blow air across the evaporator and up the channel to the very top of the fresh food compartment. I noticed that the second drawer, the produce drawer, when pushed all the way in blocked those vents! I tried leaving it out a little bit to leave a space in the back for the blower to breathe. It was driving me crazy because I couldn't trust the family to remember to leave that drawer pulled out a little bit! I went out to the workshop and found some 1" thick pieces of that dense white foam that they use to pack electronics for shipping. I cut two approx. 2" squares and used double sided foam tape to stick them to the top of the second drawer, the one that was blocking the air. So far it works! I can peer back there with a flashlight and the coils seem to be clear with only a light covering of frost, and the fridge is cold as heck 36º F!

I'll keep you posted Jake, on what happens next....

David
 
This time when I took it apart I noticed that the plastic evaporator/blower cover was frozen right up flat against the vents where the fan is supposed to get the air from, to blow air across the evaporator and up the channel to the very top of the fresh food compartment. I noticed that the second drawer, the produce drawer, when pushed all the way in blocked those vents! I tried leaving it out a little bit to leave a space in the back for the blower to breathe. It was driving me crazy because I couldn't trust the family to remember to leave that drawer pulled out a little bit! I went out to the workshop and found some 1" thick pieces of that dense white foam that they use to pack electronics for shipping. I cut two approx. 2" squares and used double sided foam tape to stick them to the top of the second drawer, the one that was blocking the air. So far it works! I can peer back there with a flashlight and the coils seem to be clear with only a light covering of frost, and the fridge is cold as heck 36º F!
That's good you did that David.(y)

Yes, keep us posted when you get the new thermistor and motherboard.
 
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